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bipolar
March 29th, 2005, 05:51 AM
I have an old sentry elctronic safe from a long time ago. I haven't been able to get into it for like 5 years, forgot the combo. I think its got some porn in it or something from along time ago. I paid like $250 bucks for that piece of shit. I can't believe they can even sell that shit as a safe. Maybe I can modify it to be harder to open or something. I dont know.

NBK, is there anything else I need to know to open it?

akinrog
March 29th, 2005, 07:09 AM
This link (http://money.howstuffworks.com/safecracking.htm) gives basics of the safe cracking. As you said drilling at the right location is tricky. But for a long time, I have been thinking of feasibility of using a plasma cutter over the safe. Tte plasma cutters produces very high temperatures, maybe it's more convenient to use a plasma cutter than drilling.

akinrog
March 29th, 2005, 07:09 AM
This link (http://money.howstuffworks.com/safecracking.htm) gives basics of the safe cracking. As you said drilling at the right location is tricky. But for a long time, I have been thinking of feasibility of using a plasma cutter over the safe. Tte plasma cutters produces very high temperatures, maybe it's more convenient to use a plasma cutter than drilling.

akinrog
March 29th, 2005, 07:09 AM
This link (http://money.howstuffworks.com/safecracking.htm) gives basics of the safe cracking. As you said drilling at the right location is tricky. But for a long time, I have been thinking of feasibility of using a plasma cutter over the safe. Tte plasma cutters produces very high temperatures, maybe it's more convenient to use a plasma cutter than drilling.

shady mutha
March 29th, 2005, 02:54 PM
The main flaw with the drill and read technique is proper money safes often have 2 combo locks and 2 key locks. So reading the combo still wont guarantee a entry.
If your a well funded person I think buying the type of safe you want entry to is probably the best way to go. At least you can get a better mental and physical picture of what needs to be done.
Also when your looking at safes from a distance they often look a lot smaller and easier than they actually are.
I also believe it very easy to leave behind DNA on this type of job.
All the sweating and hard work.

shady mutha
March 29th, 2005, 02:54 PM
The main flaw with the drill and read technique is proper money safes often have 2 combo locks and 2 key locks. So reading the combo still wont guarantee a entry.
If your a well funded person I think buying the type of safe you want entry to is probably the best way to go. At least you can get a better mental and physical picture of what needs to be done.
Also when your looking at safes from a distance they often look a lot smaller and easier than they actually are.
I also believe it very easy to leave behind DNA on this type of job.
All the sweating and hard work.

shady mutha
March 29th, 2005, 02:54 PM
The main flaw with the drill and read technique is proper money safes often have 2 combo locks and 2 key locks. So reading the combo still wont guarantee a entry.
If your a well funded person I think buying the type of safe you want entry to is probably the best way to go. At least you can get a better mental and physical picture of what needs to be done.
Also when your looking at safes from a distance they often look a lot smaller and easier than they actually are.
I also believe it very easy to leave behind DNA on this type of job.
All the sweating and hard work.

nbk2000
April 5th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Bipolar, if you give me a model number, I 'll e-mail you the technique. :)

Plasma cutters are very effective at cutting metal, but then you have the problem of the fusible link relockers, which better safes have. Get the safe hot enough to cut the steel, the links melt and the relockers trip. Also, intense heat breaks the tempered glass.

Safebreaking isn't just having the tools, but also the skills and the knowledge of where to cut.

Yes, I'll include brute-force methods.

Cutting land-line may bring the cops, but if the breaks are intermittent, and repeated, human nature can be counted on to make the cops ignore the alarm eventually.

Then, once the pork are tired of the 'false' alarms, you go in, cut the landline and use a cellular jammer to disable that too. :)

Of course, before I can finish the guide, I need the pictures, which I need people to find and send to me, because, as you can see, I don't get online very often now-a-days. :(

A technique I've thought of to get the experience needed, legally, would be to offer free content recovery in exchange for the safe. If the safe is something high-end, it'll costs thousands of dollars to open, and the contents may be worth much more than that, so it's a good deal for them and you get a free specimen to keep for future work upon.

If that doesn't get you the desired traffic, you can offer content recovery for free. :)

'Course, since you don't really know what you're doing, you'll trash the safe in the process of opening it, but that's what they get for being cheap-asses :p and you gain valuable experience. :)

All this presupposes that you live in a large metropolitan area where you could expect such a thing to work, like Los Angeles or New York.

nbk2000
April 5th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Bipolar, if you give me a model number, I 'll e-mail you the technique. :)

Plasma cutters are very effective at cutting metal, but then you have the problem of the fusible link relockers, which better safes have. Get the safe hot enough to cut the steel, the links melt and the relockers trip. Also, intense heat breaks the tempered glass.

Safebreaking isn't just having the tools, but also the skills and the knowledge of where to cut.

Yes, I'll include brute-force methods.

Cutting land-line may bring the cops, but if the breaks are intermittent, and repeated, human nature can be counted on to make the cops ignore the alarm eventually.

Then, once the pork are tired of the 'false' alarms, you go in, cut the landline and use a cellular jammer to disable that too. :)

Of course, before I can finish the guide, I need the pictures, which I need people to find and send to me, because, as you can see, I don't get online very often now-a-days. :(

A technique I've thought of to get the experience needed, legally, would be to offer free content recovery in exchange for the safe. If the safe is something high-end, it'll costs thousands of dollars to open, and the contents may be worth much more than that, so it's a good deal for them and you get a free specimen to keep for future work upon.

If that doesn't get you the desired traffic, you can offer content recovery for free. :)

'Course, since you don't really know what you're doing, you'll trash the safe in the process of opening it, but that's what they get for being cheap-asses :p and you gain valuable experience. :)

All this presupposes that you live in a large metropolitan area where you could expect such a thing to work, like Los Angeles or New York.

nbk2000
April 5th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Bipolar, if you give me a model number, I 'll e-mail you the technique. :)

Plasma cutters are very effective at cutting metal, but then you have the problem of the fusible link relockers, which better safes have. Get the safe hot enough to cut the steel, the links melt and the relockers trip. Also, intense heat breaks the tempered glass.

Safebreaking isn't just having the tools, but also the skills and the knowledge of where to cut.

Yes, I'll include brute-force methods.

Cutting land-line may bring the cops, but if the breaks are intermittent, and repeated, human nature can be counted on to make the cops ignore the alarm eventually.

Then, once the pork are tired of the 'false' alarms, you go in, cut the landline and use a cellular jammer to disable that too. :)

Of course, before I can finish the guide, I need the pictures, which I need people to find and send to me, because, as you can see, I don't get online very often now-a-days. :(

A technique I've thought of to get the experience needed, legally, would be to offer free content recovery in exchange for the safe. If the safe is something high-end, it'll costs thousands of dollars to open, and the contents may be worth much more than that, so it's a good deal for them and you get a free specimen to keep for future work upon.

If that doesn't get you the desired traffic, you can offer content recovery for free. :)

'Course, since you don't really know what you're doing, you'll trash the safe in the process of opening it, but that's what they get for being cheap-asses :p and you gain valuable experience. :)

All this presupposes that you live in a large metropolitan area where you could expect such a thing to work, like Los Angeles or New York.

Jacks Complete
April 5th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Bipolar,

It cost you $250, it has kept you out for five years, and you are complaining it isn't secure enough?? :rolleyes:

NBK,

there are lots of locksmiths doing drilling for content recovery for thousands of dollars, but those are the rare jobs, most of the time they pick the lock, manipulate it, or use some other non-destructive method to avoid having to replace a large expensive safe that is built in to the wall.

Jacks Complete
April 5th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Bipolar,

It cost you $250, it has kept you out for five years, and you are complaining it isn't secure enough?? :rolleyes:

NBK,

there are lots of locksmiths doing drilling for content recovery for thousands of dollars, but those are the rare jobs, most of the time they pick the lock, manipulate it, or use some other non-destructive method to avoid having to replace a large expensive safe that is built in to the wall.

Jacks Complete
April 5th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Bipolar,

It cost you $250, it has kept you out for five years, and you are complaining it isn't secure enough?? :rolleyes:

NBK,

there are lots of locksmiths doing drilling for content recovery for thousands of dollars, but those are the rare jobs, most of the time they pick the lock, manipulate it, or use some other non-destructive method to avoid having to replace a large expensive safe that is built in to the wall.

nbk2000
April 8th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Oh, it describes other methods besides drilling, if feasible.

nbk2000
April 8th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Oh, it describes other methods besides drilling, if feasible.

nbk2000
April 8th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Oh, it describes other methods besides drilling, if feasible.

shady mutha
April 9th, 2005, 02:54 AM
I could get some photos of safes, but I dont think any useful intel could be gleaned from a photo. I know where there is a building up for lease that used to be a bank. The walk in vault is wide open and visible from the window. This is one bad mutha.
Some new ATMs I have seen lately with are Diebold brand these ones are made in Scotland are controled by electronic keypad. The old sly camera trick might be workable here. Main problem with filming is the damn batterys dont last long enough. Add more battery and the package is to big and cant be hidden properly.

shady mutha
April 9th, 2005, 02:54 AM
I could get some photos of safes, but I dont think any useful intel could be gleaned from a photo. I know where there is a building up for lease that used to be a bank. The walk in vault is wide open and visible from the window. This is one bad mutha.
Some new ATMs I have seen lately with are Diebold brand these ones are made in Scotland are controled by electronic keypad. The old sly camera trick might be workable here. Main problem with filming is the damn batterys dont last long enough. Add more battery and the package is to big and cant be hidden properly.

shady mutha
April 9th, 2005, 02:54 AM
I could get some photos of safes, but I dont think any useful intel could be gleaned from a photo. I know where there is a building up for lease that used to be a bank. The walk in vault is wide open and visible from the window. This is one bad mutha.
Some new ATMs I have seen lately with are Diebold brand these ones are made in Scotland are controled by electronic keypad. The old sly camera trick might be workable here. Main problem with filming is the damn batterys dont last long enough. Add more battery and the package is to big and cant be hidden properly.

Jacks Complete
April 9th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Mutha, You can always run a wire to a second battery pack, or use a PIR to detect people, then turn on the cameras power.

NBK, that's good. Drilling takes a lot longer than most other methods, and is noisier for longer than most methods.