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green beret
June 11th, 2003, 12:58 AM
I just thought I would compile a list of chems that I (dreamed) have found in Australia without too much trouble, I know there is an OTC survey topic, this one is just Australian.

In no particular order:

Hydrochloric acid- hardware
Nitric acid- chem supply
Sulfuric acid- chem supply
Ammonium nitrate- rural supply
Potassium nitrate- rural supply
Potassium permangenate- chemist
Hydrogen peroxide- chemist/hydroponics store/pool supply
Hexamine- army disposal
Sulfur- big W/farm supply
Ethylene glycol- auto stores/big W
Sodium bisulfate- big W sold as "dry acid"
Sodium hydroxide- supermarket
Acetone- hardware
Methyl ethyl ketone- Bunnings
Iron oxide- Bunnings
Aluminium powder- Australian metal powder supplies
Cyanuric Acid- Bunnings (in pool supply section)
Copper sulfate- Bunnings
Ammonium sulfate- Bunnings
Granular Chlorine- pool shop
Zinc Chloride- rural supply
Nitromethane- Toyworld, would you believe

Thats all I can think of right now, I may add to this later. Has anyone in OZ found potassium or sodium chlorate? Apart from those rediculously priced scientific chem suppliers. Same for pentaerythritol, I cant even find it at proper chem suppliers.

irish
June 11th, 2003, 01:26 AM
You can get Potassium permangenate from farm supply places too as it's used in very small amounts in chook water as well as other water treatments.
Also from a local farm supply store I found
sulfur
potassium chloride
calcium nitrate
and the sulfate's of
copper
cobalt
magnesium
and potassium

I will go and have a look in the local hardware stores for anything green beret did not list and I will report back ;) .

Bryan
June 11th, 2003, 02:48 AM
Citric acid - woolworths
3% H2O2 - woolworths
Glycerene- woolworths
~6%~ H2O2 - "Napi San In Wash", woolworths
96% ethanol - methlated spirits, woolworths
15% ammonia - plumbing supplies
NH4NO3 - "Nitrate chalk" (30%) - Bunnings, "Supa Fast Ice Pack" - sports store/chemist/Big W
Pottasium Chlorate - Home-brand match heads - woolworths, water treatment chemical (my local store closed down)
KNO3 - Stump remover, Bunnings
H2SO4 - Car batterys :rolleyes:

That's all I can think of for now
Also what is the NitroMethane sold as in toyworld?

Bryan

blindreeper
June 11th, 2003, 02:50 AM
If you people read the the OTC survey post you would have seen my one for Oz, here it is anyway.

Prices are approx.

KMnO4 - Got it at some argricultural place in hervey bay -$17/500g

KNO3 - Got it at growforce australia - $60/50kg

Ammonium Nitrate - www.duralite.com.au - $33/kg

HCl - Bunnings - $8/2.5L

Acetone - Bunnings - $11/L

Methyl ethyl ketone - Bunnings - $5/250ml

Sulfer - Big W - $2.50/2.5kg

Sodium carbonate - Bunnings - $10/2.5kg

Formaldahyde 23% - Camperland - $11/L

Magnesium - Camperland - $16/ a block of it

Hexamine - Camperland - $5/ box of eight ( I think it was around 150g)

Pine charcoal - Camperland - $9/2.5kg

H2O2 50% (oxyplus) - J&K hydroponics - $12/500ml

Phosphoric acid - J&K Hydroponics - $13/250ml

Ethanol 97%> - J&K Hydroponics - $27/L

Citric acid - Action supermarkets - $1.23/75g

Aluminium powder 325 mesh - www.metalpowders.com.au - $15/kg

Zinc powder 4.5 micron - www.metalpowders.com.au - $10/kg


Green beret, Sorry to be a pain but "Chem supply" isn't exactly OTC. But on a better note what is the iron oxide sold as in bunnings, any price, brand? Get your 50% H2O2 as oxyplus in hydroponic stores, much cheaper and it's very pure. This is the lable if your interested.

http://www.geocities.com/blindreeper_chemistry/oxypluslable.html

Sorry for the crappy scan but you can get some idea of what it looks like.

Last thing, the NM in toyworld is only 10% but unless you can make my dreams come true and tell me they have it behind the counter in 100% strength...

0EZ0
June 11th, 2003, 05:13 AM
It should not need to be said, but I'll re-hash for some of the newer members.

Chemicals can be found anywhere and everywhere, as long as you keep looking in the right places. Sure, some things may be harder to find than others, but essentially anything can be found provided you're willing to give a continuing effort to searching. There are lots of people out there who say they 'can't find' a certain item or chemical relating to pyro/explosives. Ususally the case is that they can't be bothered putting in the effort themselves.

You may notice most of the more senior members are not willing to publicise where they get their more rarer items. The reason is usually because that they have worked hard to find sources for those items, and they do not wish to have those sources abused by the feeble minded or raped to the point that some of the sources dry up.

Some of you may one day learn this, and might be more careful about openly revealing your sources. If you do want to reveal a source on here, don't blatantly tell everyone exactly where some item came from unless you are prepared to lose that source. That doesn't mean you can't drop hints or provide clues where to lookthough;). It is a nasty age in which terrorism has forever changed government and policing policy. Many chemical sources have been infringed upon thanks to our lovely government legislation. As is the case almost worldwide. (The forum island is starting to look good:D )

It really does not matter about most of the more easily found items that have many legitimate uses throughout the land. Just the ones that you don't come across everyday. Remember the authorities ARE watching this site. It doesn't take much for them to shut down a particular source or advise them that they should take higher security measures when transactions take place.

Regards

static_firefly
June 12th, 2003, 12:17 AM
The iron oxide sold at bunnings is used as a conctreate dye. about $8 1kg

GibboNet
June 12th, 2003, 12:51 AM
Bryan, can you describe the stump remover you saw at bunnings ? I looked everywhere, no trace of it. I didn't want to ask for a storeepersons help considering all the stuff I already had.

I am in the middle of a OTC list for AUS myself, so this list is great. If anyone wants to help, contact me here or by email, and I will be able to add things to the list. I am listsing things with: Brand, Name, Active (useful) ingredient, weight / volume, and price.

I have made a start on my site, www.gibbonet.tk, just check the explosive chemistry section, in the explosives section. the actual listing by chemical is not done, they're just links to blank pages at the moment. check the OTC list that is linked from there.

OTC list (http://members.dodo.net.au/~j_gibson/explosives/explosive_chemistry/OTC_list.htm)

Listing by Chemical (http://members.dodo.net.au/~j_gibson/explosives/explosive_chemistry/sources_of_chems.htm) (Not Finished - Hardly started !)

I still have to type up the lists from Bunnings, a few other hardware stores, chemists / pharmacy's, agricultural and hydroponics shops. I should have it done in a week or two, once I get time.

blindreeper
June 12th, 2003, 02:27 AM
Ok thanks for the reply on the iron oxide. But is it red or black type? And is there any specific brand or what ile/section should I look in. Also is the NM in toyworld just the 10% I normally see or can you get the 100% stuff somewhere?

static_firefly
June 12th, 2003, 11:08 PM
The Iron Oxide is sold in both red and black and i think even yellow. I found it at the back next to some diggers acid. Its a white bucket with Iron Oxide written on it.

Chlorates and Perchlorates are the things im looking for...

blindreeper
June 13th, 2003, 02:09 AM
Down to business. What brand name is there that sell dilute sulfuric acid and in what store. I really don't want to have to use battery stuff all the time. Also has anyone found NM in QLD stores? And if any one has any PE they want to sell me...contact me!!!

Bryan
June 13th, 2003, 02:38 AM
PE?

Anyway, my local hobby shop used to sell 99% NM.... But now the closed down.

The stump remover was just that, I think it was the same brand that does the elemental S stuff,
It is 85% KNO3

Blindreeper what part of QLD are you in?

Bryan

blindreeper
June 13th, 2003, 03:48 AM
Pentaeryithritol (sp?) is what PE is.

Bryan I'm not to fond of releasing any exact details of my location on the forum. Email me.

Bryan
June 13th, 2003, 06:33 PM
pentaerythritol, I have only managed to get it from LabTek, they are a bit expensive though....

Bryan

blindreeper
June 14th, 2003, 12:51 AM
Bryan, can you please email me about LabTek as it's not good to give away such a good source of info as nbk once said "Kewls may be lurking..." ( I think it was nbk..)

green beret
June 14th, 2003, 06:14 AM
We're getting some really good information here. As was said before, dont give excact info on where you get rare chems, unless its something generic like Big W (not that they really have rare chems).

Blindreeper- Yeah I know chem supply isnt really OTC but its just a store in my area and they sold the acid to, no questions asked so I put it anyway. I get my H202 as 58% its sold as "Ozone accelerator Pool and spa sanitiser". Also Iron Oxide is sold at bunnings as "Builders Oxide", in 1kg buckets. I have seen it in red, black, and yellow.

As for my NM I think they only sell it because they really specialise in RC cars, so its unlikely that alot of store would sell it. I saw the bottle in there and it said Nitromethane, so I asked the store guy if it was 100% and he said yes. But they havent always had it.

Bryan, I'm going to look in Bunnings to try and find that Nitrate chalk (AN) its just 30% isnt it. Also, when you said Potassium chlorate as a water purification chem, and youre local store closed down, do you mean that you used to be able to buy it? Or you used to steal it from your local water treatment plant? Could you please email about Labtech too.

Keep up the good work everyone. But dont blurt out where to get rare chems such as PE etc, as was said, there may be kewls lurking. Or narcs.

blindreeper
June 14th, 2003, 07:15 AM
Labtek as far as I know has no catalogue on their site.

Bryan, Can you give us some idea on what you paid for the PE? How much? Questions?

Shadow88
July 22nd, 2003, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Bryan
KNO3 - Stump remover, Bunnings


Bryan

Are you sure? I checked at the Bunnings in my town and they've never heard of it before.

GibboNet
July 23rd, 2003, 05:35 AM
Well, that's what I got too.

They had never seen it, nor heard of it. They asked if I wanted to order it in, but I didn't want to at the time, they wanted my name and address to contact me.

Still, it's avaliable elsewhere. Nice to see the Aussie's workiing together too.

Shadow88
July 24th, 2003, 04:48 AM
Yes, kudos to my Aussie brethren for posting such great sources, especially green beret and blindreeper.

EDIT: (Sorry blindreeper)

blindreeper
July 24th, 2003, 05:07 AM
Shadow WTF does flash powder hve to do with OTC chems in Oz? Thats what the water cooler is for to start new topics for new members such as yourslef.